I CHOOSE SAFETY FIRST.  SHOULD HARM COME TO A NORTH RANCH RESIDENT WHILE USING THE POOL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WILL MAKE NORTH RANCH LEGALLY OBLIGATED.

I have noticed less problems with our teenage population, since the New Board has instituted more stringent restrictions. This may have caused some incontinences to a few but it has been heaven to us older residents.

Let the Board say when the time is right. Keep up the good work, and I know the community will back you. I know that my wife and myself are starting to take more walks at night on Catcus canyon. I definitely feel safer. I use the big pool at night and I feel very safe.

Strange that people living closest to the illegal activity taking place at the North Pool wouldn't want to be more supportive and allow the necessary time for things to be rectified. It's very strange!  

Drugs lead to guns. Guns lead to violence.... If they like that kind of action, they should move more downtown.

Considering the south pool is just across the street, it seems appropriate to me to close the north pool at dusk to better concentrate security at the south pool. Those wanting to use a pool are not going any farther.

Why spread your resources more than they need to. Additionally, the north pool is embedded more in a "neighborhood". The south pool is more of a "stand alone". Noise at the north pool, then, becomes more of an issue for those residents, as opposed to to the south pool.

Why is the COA pool committee listening to a pressure group before getting the facts? Did they check with security? I am all for keeping the small pool open at night but am willing to wait a little longer for the security solutions to kick in.

I hesitated to vote on this as I have my own pool and don't use the community pools. However I am definitely in favor of anything that lowers the crime rate. If this is what it takes; I say do it. It's too bad that many have to suffer because of a few.

We have lived across from the North Pool for 7 years.  I truly feel that most people use the North Pool at night as though it was in their backyard and "anything goes".  I will support the NRCA in whatever their decision is.  However, I feel that there will always be a problem at the North Pool for the reason I stated above. 

There can be no doubt the bod acted wisely in closing the small pool at dark. First of all, the small pool is very close to houses and therefore needs to have a different approach to the rules that govern its operation.

Secondly, before the bod and manager took action on the small pool it was a virtual den of iniquity during the late evening hours with illegal activity of every kind going on. The Sherriff was there on a regular basis, drug activity, gang activity, open sex, fighting, yelling, cars speeding by- you name it.

All homeowners have a right to live peacefully. If this type of activity was going on next to any homeowner (pool or not) I'm sure it would not be tolerated. Besides, the big pool is still open for all to enjoy to 11:00, it is not so close to homes.

I would like to thank the manager and the bod for all they do, not just this. They have made a real positive contribution to North Ranch.

I think it is sad that the pool can't be open after dark, but it appears that it can't without crime being in the picture. I think if there could be security guards available until 11:00 it would be fine. If there aren't, then we run the risk of this illegal activity causing a worse problem that could result in the kids (I am assuming teens) getting hurt or severe damage to the pool. It would be nice to swim there later than this time, but I worry most about all the potential disasters that could occur and it makes it too risky and not worth it to make the change.

My husband and I actually prefer to swim in the smaller pool in the evening - I feel more secure when I go alone and can keep an eye on my car. The smaller pool is also warmer. You say the pool closes "about" 8:45pm. If-IF we could count on a DEFINITE time that the North pool would stay temporarily open until (like 8:45 pm), we would not mind waiting until a REASONABLE TIME until a more secure system was in place, but isn't that what the video cameras were to be for??? What do you mean by "TEMPORARY" and "Some pending security upgrades are expected to be completed soon"? Let's do it already...it's hot!

An individual or married couple going just for a soak or swim and wind-down after a long day at work is not going to cause a neighborhood brawl or lot of noise. A month ago a neighbor and I asked the security guard when exactly the north pool was going to be locked/closed for the evening because I did not want to go for just a few minutes after dinner and get "stuck" there or locked out. I got an evasive answer -- He said, "Well, it depends...whenever it gets dark. Around 7 or maybe 7:30". I have not been back since - it has been too hot to swim even right after dinner.  

As a resident paying HOA fees for amenities including both pools to be heated and available from 6am to 11 pm, I expect them to be as stated in our rules and covenents. I did not know about this meeting you had recently but I appreciate the board asking for our opinion. Thanks.

    Many people work and by the time dinner is over the pool is ready to close.Taking the kids to the pool for a good swin and play then home to a hot bath,the kids are off to sleep,and there has been some good family fun.It seems like there are always different rules for the small pool,we that live in Mesquite 1 love our small comunity and most of us are older but we enjoy our pool.Many of us adults love to go at night.Lets hope you can keep it open.

This pool was part of the "sell" to purchase a home here.

Working people use it to relax in the later hours of the evening.

It is less attended by children who need more room to play.

Since the "key" problem was promised to be corrected within a few weeks provide a bit more security coverage until then. Give the pool committe's group a chance to provide coverage until key program is up again. Post "Quite Hours" signage even if temporary.

This is one of the many "perks" we pay for in our monthly COA dues.  We should not be penalized because other residents in the community cannot control their (or their guests) behavior at the North pool.  Perhaps the residents that are causing the problems should have their privilages suspended for a period of time. That way the rest of the residents would not feel like they are being penalized by not having access to the North pool until 11:00PM.  Food for thought!

Residents moved here because of the pools and are paying dues to support them. Any changes to the pool hours should be followed with a reduction in dues.

We are paying for ALL of the ammenities of the community.  Adults who pay dues should not be penalized because of a few kids;  maybe the rules should be changed so that NO unaccompanied minors can use any of the pools at any time or at least at night...

we,the people who live by the rules and regulations, should not have our freedom of swim controlled by the delinquents.

With security in place, I see no reason why the pools should be closed at all.  Some residents who work later shifts may want to use the pool after work and are deprived of the privilege they pay for.  With electronic keys and security cameras, a security patrol, why close the pool at all? Like Mr. Holly said at the meeting, if a resident is too noisy, they will be reminded once and may lose their privilege of using the pool.  Deactivating a key is simple.  Perhaps a nice sign at the entrance of the north pool to remind pool goers to be considerate of neighboring homes and keep it quiet.

I suggest a compromise. Why not increase the open hours to nine thirty PM. This would give the residents close to the pool a little more pool time. If the bad behavior problems return than return to the current policy of closing the pool before dark.

In addition, I really don't see much need during winter hours of having it opened since I personally haven't seen many people using it and the cost of running it during the winter is probably, as far as my guestimations are concerned is not cost effective.

Closing it down in the winter months would increase profitability.

Something to think about.

I would like to see the pool open and also for it to be secure.  I thought we had it secure?  What is remaining to be done?  The pool committee felt that it should be reopened and monitored.  If new problems would arise again, we could re-evaluate.  I believe quiet hours means that we could ask noisy participants to leave and go to other pool.

The best of both worlds. 

I think that this survey no response is written poorly. I believe we can reopen the pool and also have safety. Not either or but both. 

It seems most families would be using the pool prior to it getting dark; after dark I would expect a higher percentage of potential problem-folks to use the pool, e.g., unsupervised teenagers with their friends.

If the hours of operation of the small pool are altered, time of closure should be posted. (9 pm) Keep the pool open till 11pm and post security there after dark till closing.

Are the expensive security measures installed by the Board that we are paying for not effective?

It is the obligation of the Board to make amenities available, not restrictive. Perhaps the whole plan needs to be rethought.

We have security guards and cameras that I believe help to provide the additional security we need.  The guard needs to rotate between the pools (like he does) and this will continue to make the place safe.  I really appreciate the board re-looking at keeping the pool open later - especially now in the hot summer.

 Since this is a temporary measure until the area is more secure, it makes sense to continue to close it until that time.  There have been enough "incidents" lately here at North Ranch without inviting more trouble at a known problem area until security is in place.  The problem should, however, be resolved as soon as possible so that those residents who rely on using the North Pool can continue to do so.

 A neighbor has a daughter with Downs and she takes her swimming at night at the North pool because usually no one there and she doesn't get upset. Also when people bought their homes they knew the pool was there and what the hours were. The security guard should be checking on both pools they can stop activity that is not allowed.

Unless a team of homeowners wants to meet down at the pool on a regular basis to keep the pool in our control, I think closing it earlier is a good way to close down the illegal activities.  Hopefully, there is a routine check to follow up after closing hours.

Perhaps the pool could be closed at 9:30 or 10:00.  During the summer heat, it seems appropriate for residents to have access to the pools.  The heat induces excess wear and tear on both pools.  With the north pool closed after dark, the south pool is getting "overworked" as evidenced by the late evening poor water quality.  Give both the pools and the residents a break from the heat.

enjoy swimming in the evening and the big pool gets too crowded.

if this activity is this prevalent, it should be closed.

It is important for our entire community that illegal activity does not begin or continue once it starts. If closing the pool cuts down on illegal activity, vandalism, etc., then it should be closed.

This may not please people near the north pool if they normally like to have a 10:00 p.m. swim, but their safety as well as everyone else's needs to take priority. 

If we allow the illegal activity to take hold at north pool, those involved with the illegal activity will feel they can continue these activities in other North Ranch areas.  Keep the pool closed until security arrangements are in place and able to get the people involved in illegal activity out of the north pool area and North Ranch.

light pool area up more or put security guard there   also add some kind of shade structure after taking trees down   thanks

Obviously, security cannot be in two places at once so I feel the small pool should close after dark for the safety of the homeowners.  The pools are not usually busy that late so I feel one pool with a security guard is plenty for the residents. I do feel that the security needs to be more involved at the big pool at night as I have witnessed inappropriate behavior there when I take my kids swimming.  It should not be "the make out place" for teens.  Thanks for listening!

I have been at the south pool several times after dark and have witnessed lewd behavior and other undesirable activities.  I have two small children and do not want to have them exposed to this kind of activity.  If this is occurring at the south pool then I can only imagine what goes on at the north pool after dark.  If it were not for the guard at the south pool my family would have had to leave the pool on several occasions.  I am tired of not being able to take my family to the pool without worrying about what might happen.  A huge thank you to the guards !

It has repeatedly happened after dark, residents having sex in the north pool, drinking, cussing, indecently exposing themselves and committing lewd acts in the north pool.  I do not use the north pool for these very reasons.  It is unfortunate that homeowners can not use the pools at their leisure. 

I myself would like the south pool to stay open until midnight but that is unreasonable. Closure of the north pool at dark is the correct course of action in these circumstances. 

Three cheers for the north ranch board of directors for doing the right thing even with it is the unpopular thing to do. 

There is NO evidence that the pictured man is a "knife wielding thug". There is evidence that the man has a knife. Furthermore, closing the pool only denies one of several avenues for doing mayhem. Others include the South pool, Cactus Canyon Road, and every other street in the neighborhood.

When I moved here in 1995 the pool was open 24 hours a day.  Then it went to 5 a.m. to 11 p.m.  Now the north pool closes at dusk.  What is next?  I am as passionate for this to remain open as the people who are passionate about not removing the grass on the corners.

If the pool were to remain open have the guard spend the majority of time at the north pool and only walk over to the south pool every 15 minutes.  He does not have to walk as far and as soon as he gets to Cactus Canyon he can see the south pool and know if there are problems there.  IF it is the other way around he has to walk all the way to the north pool and go in before knowing what is going on.

Why not have camera access at the south pool for the guard to watch the north pool at ALL times?

I applaud the BOD for their decision. I have been a resident in this community for 18 years. I have a teenager who in all the years I have resided here, was not permitted to go to the small pool after dark. The problem at the small pool was always there, but seems to have gotten worse in the last 5 years. I know what was happening there because teenagers talk and thank God my son trusted me enough to let me know.

I know it must have been a hard decision for the Board to make, but at least they are trying to resolve the situation. The new board has done great improvements and changes for the better of the community why not let them work this out.

It may be causing incontinences for a few, but the majority of the residents I speak to have nothing but praise for this board.

All should remember the problems we had with the decisions that were made by prior BODs. If this is the only situation that has caused concern, by a few, than we should all pray to God that this BOD stays intact.

Remember what can happen when A FEW RULE THE MAJORITY, let the BOD work it out .A very concerned resident.

To me, keeping crime down is the number one priority.  If people want to swim after dark, they can cross the street to the South pool to do so.

It doesn't make a big difference to us so we will leave it up to the board to decide the best time to close the north pool. I don't think that we need to spend more money for extra security in order to keep it open after dark when the south pool isn't that crowded late at night!

The North pool should be kept open until 11:00....as it has been for several years.....until Congi and Resnick decided to close the pool at dusk. 

Editor's Note:  Two board members do not decide for the board. Motions can only be passed by a majority of board members.

 I personally know of several residents who cannot go in the pool during daylight (sun) hours....The pool is not an award...it is an amenity we all personally pay for with our monthly dues and one of our largest selling points for North Ranch......As a realtor there is no doubt our values are going down because of this issue.  We are one of the few homeowner subdivisions with this amenity, and it is of vital importance in the equity of our homes.

As a resident for years the improvement to the community in the last year is unbelievable:

• painted walls

• new lights

• new landscaping

• new pool furniture

• more attention to security

• more attention on how homeowners maintain their properties.

AND...in just in the last couple of days a new flag pole.

Now we can go to the pools and not be concerned about drinking and bad behavior. These are what make people want to live in our community.

I read the comment from the realtor who feels that closing the small pool for 2 hours at at night brings down the value of the community. That is pure nonsense.

We have 2 beautiful pools and the closing of one for 2 hours until the board feels that it can be used safely should be the main concern of the association, not the ability of a realtor to make a commission on the sale of a home...this is one of the main causes of our horrible economy.

People are not going to stay away from this community because of a 2 hour pool closing and this is not going to cause property values to decrease, what will stop them dead, is crime and unsightly neighborhoods.

It makes me very angry when someone is more concerned about making a few bucks more on their property or a larger commission on a sale then on the safety for themselves and their community.

When the economy gets on track the property values in this community will rise just as it has for the last 50 years.

Nobody has complained on anything else except maybe the question of why the lawns were brown, so I guess people have too much time on their hands so they have to come up with something silly to complain about.

Instead of complaining, maybe come up with some solutions that might aid the board in coming to a resolution. Believe me not being able to swim in a pool that feels like jumping into a hot tub (for 2hours) should not be the main problem in life.

I thank you for providing this website so I can pass on my comments to the rest of the community.

this household has 3 adults living in it and we want all amenities avaliable at all times.Not our fault that others in this community can not control there kids and guests.

People not interested in keeping this a nice community should really start thinking about leaving and going south of River Rd. The rest of us who pay our dues, keep our properties intact and want to live in a nice, safe neighborhood should do anything to prevent criminals or people with other kinds of manners out of North Ranch.

If closing the north pool at 9pm keeps crime down, there should be no opposition to this. All residents should remember we have another pool on the other side of the street.

Once the security is in place, the pool should be open again.  We pay a person to keep watch on the pool areas, so they should do so by walking back and forth a few times each evening. 

it might be a better option to close the small pool at 9:30 or 10:00

I have my own pool so my input can be objective. Closing the pool early to keep the Bad Guys out lets the Bad Guys win and puts the dues-paying homeowner who wants to keep cool over the summer at a disadvantage. I also worry about the mention of "peace and quiet" above. Is there possibly more at play here than a concern for safety???

Gentle reminder... buy a home near a public pool, expect to sacrifice a little bit of your peace and quiet.

I have young vulnerable teenagers that I would rather be in the lighted, visible pool area when it gets dark.  They are drawn to the secluded area, but I would rather them not.

I think that the illegal activity deserves the homeowners' attention that are concerned about the activities to police it and call authorities when necessary.  I don't know what activities are referenced, but if they are illegal then the sheriff should be called.  The homeowner's pay for the illegal activity by not having access to the pool.  That seems backwards to me.  The criminals need to be cited; not the homeowner's penalized. Are folks willing to patrol, call authorities or in some way contribute to increased safety?  Install bigger lights, video camera's; get advice from law enforcement. But don't close the pool!

If the early closure of the north pool increases safety and security then I am all for it.  Those who want a late swim can always walk a short distance across the street to the larger pool.